Legislature(2005 - 2006)CAPITOL 124

03/30/2005 08:30 AM House FISHERIES


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08:36:51 AM Start
08:37:10 AM HB230
08:52:39 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
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*+ HB 230 LOANS FOR COMMERCIAL FISHING TENDERS TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON FISHERIES                                                                            
                         March 30, 2005                                                                                         
                           8:36 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gabrielle LeDoux, Co-Chair                                                                                       
Representative Bill Thomas, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Jim Elkins                                                                                                       
Representative Woodie Salmon                                                                                                    
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative John Harris                                                                                                      
Representative Mary Kapsner                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 230                                                                                                              
"An Act authorizing the making of loans for upgrade of                                                                          
commercial fishing tender vessels and gear."                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HB 230 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 230                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: LOANS FOR COMMERCIAL FISHING TENDERS                                                                               
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) THOMAS                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
03/22/05       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/22/05       (H)       FSH, RES                                                                                               
03/30/05       (H)       FSH AT 8:30 AM CAPITOL 124                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
IAN FISK, Staff                                                                                                                 
to Representative Bill Thomas                                                                                                   
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented HB 230 on behalf of                                                                              
Representative Thomas, sponsor.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
JASON KOONTZ                                                                                                                    
Homer, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of HB 230.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JERRY McCUNE                                                                                                                    
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of HB 230.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
KELLEY SHARP, Lending Branch Manager                                                                                            
Division of Investments                                                                                                         
Alaska   Department   of   Commerce,  Community,   and   Economic                                                               
Development                                                                                                                     
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions regarding HB 230.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BILL  THOMAS  called the  House  Special  Committee  on                                                             
Fisheries  meeting  to  order at  8:36:51  AM.    Representatives                                                             
LeDoux, Thomas,  Wilson, Salmon, and  Elkins were present  at the                                                               
call to order.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HB 230-LOANS FOR COMMERCIAL FISHING TENDERS                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR THOMAS announced that the only order of business would                                                                 
be HOUSE BILL NO. 230, "An Act authorizing the making of loans                                                                  
for upgrade of commercial fishing tender vessels and gear."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:37:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
IAN  FISK,  Staff to  Representative  Bill  Thomas, Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  presented  HB  230   on  behalf  of  Representative                                                               
Thomas, sponsor.  He noted that  this bill is a companion bill to                                                               
SB  145,  sponsored  by  Senator   Bert  Stedman,  regarding  the                                                               
Commercial Fishing Revolving  Loan Fund.  He  explained that this                                                               
loan  fund is  managed  by  the Division  of  Investments in  the                                                               
Alaska   Department   of   Commerce,  Community,   and   Economic                                                               
Development.   The loans  are given  to individual  fishermen and                                                               
communities for vessels, gear,  limited entry permits, individual                                                               
fishing  quotas  (IFQs), and  product  quality  improvement.   He                                                               
clarified  that   product  quality  improvement  loans   are  for                                                               
[upgrading  or  purchasing]  freezing systems,  Refrigerated  Sea                                                               
Water (RSW) systems, and any other  equipment that can be used to                                                               
improve the quality  of the fish.  Currently,  he said, "Tenders,                                                               
who are  not considered  fishermen specifically  in law,  are not                                                               
eligible  for  these loans.    So  this  bill simply  makes  them                                                               
eligible."    He  pointed  out that  in  addition  to  individual                                                               
tenders, companies would also be  eligible for the loans under HB
230.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:39:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JASON KOONTZ  testified as  a commercial  fisherman and  a tender                                                               
owner in  support of HB 230.   He commented that  currently it is                                                               
very difficult for tender operators  to obtains loans.  He stated                                                               
that he  has used the  Commercial Fishing Revolving Loan  Fund to                                                               
obtain fishing permits and IFQs, and  he feels that it is a great                                                               
program.   He opined that the  $300,000 loan limit is  fairly low                                                               
for most tenders; most tenders sell for about $350,000-$400,000.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:41:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JERRY McCUNE testified in support of  HB 230.  He stated that the                                                               
bill was designed so that tendermen  could get a $300,000 loan to                                                               
upgrade  an existing  vessel.   He commented,  "There's a  lot of                                                               
[Alaska]  residents  that  are  just  tendermen;  they  don't  do                                                               
anything else  but tender all  around the state  all year.   So I                                                               
think  this [bill]  will  be a  great  thing to  be  able to  ...                                                               
upgrade their existing vessels."                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:42:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON asked  if $300,000 would be  a large enough                                                               
loan for a tenderman.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. McCUNE replied  that it is set in regulation  that there is a                                                               
$300,000 loan  cap for  upgrades on existing  vessels.   He said,                                                               
"You can't buy a vessel with $300,000."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:44:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR LEDOUX  asked if a  commercial fisherman can  purchase a                                                               
fishing vessel under this loan.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. McCUNE responded negatively, and  pointed out that [the bill]                                                               
says that the loan is for existing vessels.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR LEDOUX  clarified that  the tenders  can only  get loans                                                               
for  upgrades,  but  commented,  "It looks  like  ...  you  could                                                               
actually  purchase  a  fishing  vessel."    She  asked  what  the                                                               
rationale was for  limiting the loan for upgrade  use rather than                                                               
for tender vessel purchase.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. McCUNE  replied that  the tendermen he  spoke with  wanted to                                                               
have access to  the loan in order to upgrade  their vessels, and,                                                               
he  said, "Nobody  talked to  me about  purchasing a  vessel, and                                                               
that would take a whole lot more money."                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:46:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  LEDOUX  reiterated  that under  the  original  statute,                                                               
there is  a $300,000  cap.   She asked if  an amendment  could be                                                               
made to HB 230  to allow for the purchase of a  tender as long as                                                               
it remains under the $300,000 cap.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. McCUNE  stated that if a  person has a limited  entry permit,                                                               
he/she is  eligible for any  category of  the loan.   However, he                                                               
said, "A  lot of tendermen that  I talk to don't  own permits ...                                                               
or have any way to get into the  loan program, so what we did was                                                               
create this  category where  they could come  in and  ... upgrade                                                               
their vessels...."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  THOMAS,  in  response to  Co-Chair  LeDoux's  question,                                                               
replied, "If you have the  collateral, that's the main thing. ...                                                               
If you  have collateral you can  buy a vessel....   I don't think                                                               
there's restrictions if you can afford to buy a vessel."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:48:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KELLEY SHARP,  Lending Branch  Manager, Division  of Investments,                                                               
Alaska   Department   of   Commerce,  Community,   and   Economic                                                               
Development,   clarified   that   the  loan   limit   under   [AS                                                               
16.10.310(a)(1)(B)], for  the purchase  of vessels,  is currently                                                               
$100,000, and  the loan limit under  [AS 16.10.310(a)(1)(A)], for                                                               
product quality improvements to a vessel, is $300,000.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON remarked that on  page 2, lines 3-4, of the                                                               
bill, there  is reference  to, "for  the repair,  restoration, or                                                               
upgrading of existing vessels".                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR LEDOUX  pointed out  that on  page 2,  line 5,  the bill                                                               
also states that the loans are for the "purchase of vessels".                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHARP reiterated  that [subparagraph (B) on page  2, lines 3-                                                               
7] is  the part that  authorizes the  purchase of vessels  and is                                                               
capped at $100,000.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:50:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SALMON asked where the loan money originates.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SHARP  replied  that  the   money  would  come  out  of  the                                                               
Commercial Fishing Revolving  Loan Fund.  He noted  that the fund                                                               
is  completely  self-supporting,  and   there  haven't  been  any                                                               
general fund appropriations to the fund since 1985.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:51:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON pointed out, "Last  year we took money from                                                               
the fund  and put  it in  the general fund,  and I  was concerned                                                               
that they were  going to be taking too much  and it would deplete                                                               
the fund. ... Did they do that again this year?"                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. SHARP  responded that  there was about  $2 million  taken out                                                               
last year, but he  does not know what the plan  is for this year.                                                               
He noted,  "At some point,  if that continues, it  will obviously                                                               
eat into  the fund.   I certainly  wouldn't characterize  that as                                                               
being right around  the corner, but eventually  that would become                                                               
an issue."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  McCUNE commented  that he  hadn't  seen any  plans for  [the                                                               
removal  of  funds from  the  Commercial  Fishing Revolving  Loan                                                               
Fund] this  year.  He stated,  "This fund paid for  itself a long                                                               
time ago, and we want to  make sure there's enough existing money                                                               
in there for fishermen to be able to use it."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:52:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  moved to  report HB  230 out  of committee                                                               
with individual recommendations and  the accompanying zero fiscal                                                               
note.   There being no  objection, HB  230 was reported  from the                                                               
House Special Committee on Fisheries.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special Committee  on Fisheries meeting was  adjourned at 8:52:39                                                             
AM.                                                                                                                           

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